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[Riesen] what now? 2

 
Sariel
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2014-06-04 #11126
let's continue the chat
 
Evil Artster
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2014-06-04 #11127
hahaha,it will end with a deletion wave
 
Arisaka
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2014-06-06 #11131
Riesen I will miss you very much you were a great helper and friend and I will be sad to see you go. I hope to see you again some day.
 
Ebony
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2014-06-09 #11224
Wow, not entirely sure what to say ("write". Hope you don't mind if I use this Thread Sariel (:

You dont have to reply on what I write, just consider it before you start to hate on someone. (all).

Let's start with Riesen

I'm not going to say that Admins actions were incorrect, but I urged Riesen to send a email asap so atleast the Staff didn't get the wrong side of him. He's a really great person when you get to know him.'

I'm more furious how you players treat him. (He was and will be the best Helper the server ever had.
Perhaps he was not as neutral as Abezethibou or Helped with new ingame features like Sirion did. But he was neutral when it came to issues and whenever players needed help. Also he had the best thing a Helper could have.. activity. Also he always helped in the Help channel, unless another Helper responded. He even replied on almost every Thread on the Forum.). Short said, shouldn't Helpers enjoy the game-play too? (reffering to the "none-fully-neutralism"

But apparently nothing of that matters?

What I understand, there was a bug with MDC. One certain player found the bug and wanted a reward before reporting it. And apparently both the player and Admin were too stubborn and therefor got no-where with the bug. The player kept abusing with the bug and Admin had no idea how it worked.

Then later Riesen discovered the bug and reported it to Admin. The first players got banned along with 15 other players. And everyone (even ppl that weren't fully aware of how the bug works) wants Riesen banned, wtf?
I may not be that active but I've spoken to players ingame. And alot(!) of players were aware of the bug without reporting it and without recieving a bann.
I'm not going to give names.

Been here for more than 15months and have several friends ingame, so I know many things. Let's point some things out.

There's been several buggs on the server, perhaps not that many critical bugs. But many players been abusing with it. - Let's point some out. Without saying any names.

Several pets had bugged damaged / the don uh bugged in many ways / been plenty of house buggs / Rich Set / Exp Eggs / utevo res -spell / Could create Rich Spears with a spell / Spells / Cloning items / Trade bug. And many more...

And players always abused with those without reporting it and only 1 (that I know) ve'been banned.
None of these buggs ain't the Staffs fault and personally I think it's up to the players to report any of them.

Riesen found a Trade-Bug and he let someone else take the reward for it (Xeio).
I'm not going to explain how he found it. But just like the MDC -bug, other players abused with it.
None of these players got banned that abused with it. And if they did, do you think Riesen also deserved a bann for reporting it?

Several players managed to clone items. None of them got banned despites the information and reports players been giving to the Staff regarding it. The Staff just removed the cloned items.

(MDC) Personally I think Admin banned the certain player more like a revenge. And unfortunately other players got banned in the process. I doubt Admin find it enjoyable to bann players on his own OT.
But rules exist for a reason.

Riesen been my RL-friend for almost 10years. I trust what he says and if he really abused with the MDC-bugg I'm sure he would've told me.
He personally doesn't really care what will happend but he did show me the so called evidence and I can personally say that he's innocent. I trully hope he sends the mail to the Staff and they make a confirm thread so players without the true knowledge can feel bad on how they treated Riesen.
I'm glad though that some players can see through all the hates and still like him (:

And yes, I'm aware that it's just a game, but still.


Let's move on to the next thing. I think it was Pieroozek involved?

Read a thread regarding him being a racist?
Then later he got banned for it? I'm not going to support racism but didn't know it was bann-able.
Personally I think jokes about relatives and diseases is just as bad. One player joked about both things against Riesen gf, which is a really good rl friend (if not one of the best). I consider that just as bad, if not even more worse.

Like I mentioned, I'm not going to support racism but isn't Pieroozek allowed to share his oppinion?
I have to admit that it might be the wrong place to share it but, ..wut?
Perhaps you can be more clear about the rule.

Also this may seem dumb but I doubt Pieroozek is a racist. It's true that the meaning of racism changed during all these years. But let me give you a short brief about the true meaning of racism.

Back then, humans subscribed to the simple belief that human populations are divided into separate races. It often takes the form of social actions, practices or beliefs, or political systems that consider different races to be ranked as inherently superior or inferior to each other, based on presumed shared inheritable traits, abilities, or qualities. It may also hold that members of different races should be treated differently.
(Used proper english while I explained unlike the rest of the Thread).

In this case it's against Egyptians or perhaps Islam people. But what I understand Pieroozek doesn't have anything against egyptians like Death Rush? And some others (I dont know the names atm).
It's sounds more like he dislike these players and use "Islam" to provoke them. Just as players provoked Riesen by joking/teasing about his gf. Though, I consider that a lot meaner/worse.
Mainly because it was about someones relative, rape and disease.
Was a good thing Riesen didnt care so much about it but I think players can ignore Pieroozek, I seriously dont see a reason to bann him for it.

And no, Pieroozek is not my friend ingame, I doubt we ever spoken.
I just dont see the fairness..
You want to get a player banned for reporting a bug and start to hate on him.
And another player got banned for sharing his oppinion even though it was more to provoke people.


Riesen said it best when he explained the server to a newcommer.
*>- Highexp.eu has the best game-play and experience! But the worst community... don't trust anyone. They're like vultures and will stabb you when they get the chance. -
 
CM Jean
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2014-06-09 #11237
@Ebony:
Quote:
I'm not going to say that Admins actions were incorrect, but I urged Riesen to send a email asap so atleast the Staff didn't get the wrong side of him. He's a really great person when you get to know him.'
The thing is we have to have fair among everybody, no matter how good the person is, we always forced not to follow our feelings, we are just following set of rules and we have to obey them. Someone have reported Riesen with proofs that approves his involvement into the bug abuse, whether he gained a profit out of it or not but the proofs were enough to show off his bad intentions as a staff member (supposed not to do that). However, yes we demoted Riesen immediately even that we know that photos can be faked but some of the chat parts were actually happened between Riesen and Admin only within their private Skype Conversation, so this partially verifies the authority of the conversation. Nevertheless, we were so kind with Riesen and appreciated his hard work and loyalty to the server and we were satisfied with his position removal rather than fully suspension to his accounts/items like others who abused or were involved, even more we also asked him to send us his counter argument for the report in an email (he claimed that the chat photos were faked), but he simply did not react and denied to cooperate, that makes it clear that we did not make the wrong decision.

Quote:
What I understand, there was a bug with MDC. One certain player found the bug and wanted a reward before reporting it. And apparently both the player and Admin were too stubborn
Yes, it's one player who founded the bug but his way to report the bug to Admin was kind of threat rather than a regular report, we appreciate bug reports and we even pay back rewards for them, but still they shall be reported in terms of acceptable ways.

Quote:
Personally I think Admin banned the certain player more like a revenge. And unfortunately other players got banned in the process. I doubt Admin find it enjoyable to bann players on his own OT.
But rules exist for a reason.
Nobody got banned without being involved into the bug, i believe. I can't go any further details regarding how did we find the abusers or traced their data, but i guarantee to you that nobody miss banned.


Quote:
Read a thread regarding him being a racist?
Then later he got banned for it?


Pieroozek did not get banned for any forum thread or posts, actually in such situation we could have only disabled his forum access rather than his in game account. He was banned due to destructive behavior while he was talking to admin, conversation was full of rage and flame, insults without any reason. We are so kind with players, we respect who treat us well and we have a wide space to accept negative attitudes and criticisms but there are limits.

I hope everything is clarified by now.
 
Ebony
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2014-06-09 #11242
The part about Riesen were not mainly directed towards the Staff. Was actually to the players on the server.
That started to hate on someone without any true knowledge.

I've read the post and seen the conversations since Riesen were kind enough to show me it. (I'm a really curious person) (:
I never wrote that the action you took were wrong, - Since he denied to cooperate. But I can understand why he didn't send the mail. I just said that I'd hope he send the mail since it can prove his innocent (:

Regarding the report from that certain player.I'm not sure what terms he demanded but as a player we also want some sort of reward for reporting a bug. I'm not saying that he did right, but we want some sort of clearification if we recieve a reward or not.
In this case it might've been better by the player to not report the bug and take advantage of it etc, etc.

There's more than one way to be involved. I'm not saying you did wrong but perhaps some players werent aware of the bug but somehow took advantage of it by selling items they worked hard for.
It's your server so you dont have to explain in details or anything.
My post were mainly towards the players on the server.
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Riesen reported the bug and also demanded a reward for it. Later players start to offend him without knowing what really happened. I stopped believing in rumours years ago.
What would've happened if he didnt report the bug?

Regarding Pieroozek which was towards the Staff.
I know that it happened ingame. And accoding to many, Admin was only partially involved.
Surely he might had a legit reason but according to many players ingame, it was not a fair bann.
It involved racist talk (apparently) but the egyptian players also said it was a unfair bann.
But w/e, I get the point now.
 
Pieroo The Legend
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2014-06-09 #11243
" He was banned due to destructive behavior while he was talking to admin, conversation was full of rage and flame, insults without any reason" - Thing is, I didn't rage and didn't insult. I just told that balance isn't good enough for that server.
Tho, it should be "He got banned".
And about Riesen. I had some argues with him, that's true. But I know that he's great friend and probably the best Tutor that been here.



Yours Pieroo
 
Snowballs
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2014-06-10 #11259
we don't care riesen abused the bug so he should be deleted not only demoted he should be grateful
and pieroozek your always raging cm wasn't wrong and best tut huh ? i don't think so :>
 
Ebony
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2014-06-10 #11260
"We"? Didn't know you spoke for the whole server.
I really hope the other players aren't as dumb as you are.. and I'm glad you're not a staff member.

Surely everyone have their own oppinion about the best Helper or not but perhaps you should put aside your personal feelings and consider it all in general.

Since you speak for the whole server, I'll send you this.
Been reading several threads and not entirely sure what to say. You argue on who's the best on a game that's for 12 year old. You accuse random players and send immature pictures and say that it's them.
Then you all say you have a life outside this game?
How low can you go on a game where the main purpose is to enjoy the game play?
This server has the quality to be the best OT but players like you prevent it by destroying the community.

Riesen will send the damn email when he can but I can personally say that he didnt abuse with the bug.
He's been my rl friend for so long and why would he lie to me?
Also I've seen that the other players didnt get deleted, just banned for 2weeks..
Why should the one who reported the bug get deleted?

Please grow a brain and some compassion (:
I'm not entirely sure what kind of grudge you have towards Riesen but have in mind it's just a damn game.
 
Evil Artster
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2014-06-10 #11261
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ebony

"We"? Didn't know you spoke for the whole server.
I really hope the other players aren't as dumb as you are.. and I'm glad you're not a staff member.

Surely everyone have their own oppinion about the best Helper or not but perhaps you should put aside your personal feelings and consider it all in general.

Since you speak for the whole server, I'll send you this.
Been reading several threads and not entirely sure what to say. You argue on who's the best on a game that's for 12 year old. You accuse random players and send immature pictures and say that it's them.
Then you all say you have a life outside this game?
How low can you go on a game where the main purpose is to enjoy the game play?
This server has the quality to be the best OT but players like you prevent it by destroying the community.

Riesen will send the damn email when he can but I can personally say that he didnt abuse with the bug.
He's been my rl friend for so long and why would he lie to me?
Also I've seen that the other players didnt get deleted, just banned for 2weeks..
Why should the one who reported the bug get deleted?

Please grow a brain and some compassion (:
I'm not entirely sure what kind of grudge you have towards Riesen but have in mind it's just a damn game.



-behave please and he meant "we" his own guild/friends so have in mind he doesn't talk under the name of 100 players+ just his own friends/guild so get your facts straight before accusing people and if you see he is a dumb then please take a quick review at your posts,and he didn't even applied for any staff position.

-and yea its his own opinion so you don't have to start flaming here he doesn't see riesen as the best helper so its a crime ?

-and i'm sure you didn't give yourself enough time to explore/stalk the forum cuz if you did you will see that the pieroozek whose arguing about the best pvper on the server and not styles and yet again if you scrolled up you will see that death rush who started to post pic about us (fake pics) so he had to revenge so it was just your point of view,and yeah we have a life plus its none of your business to involve yourself into people's life,we're enjoying the game but what about you,you been stalking people just to find thier mistakes what a great game play.

-its already the best ot for us,and how could one person destroy the community,just cuz he said his opinion about your mate (riesen) ? huh.

-yeah i hope he send the email so we could get rid of your useless posts.

-we have nothing towards him and he could fix his problem by sending the email so its out of our hands,and we will as soon as you grow one,and if its a damn game stop wasting your time by accusing people with false accusations.

Careless

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